Don't just take your pastors word for it. We say, “The Trinity. Although the word “Trinity” is famously absent from Scripture, the theology behind the word can be found in a surprising number of verses. He both prayed to God several times and heard the voice of God acknowledging Him at His baptism. When Stephen was stoned and looked up to see Jesus standing at the right hand of God, it did not mean that he was literally beside God, that means this statement would contradict what the Lord stated in the book of Isaiah. The bible states that Jesus is the mighty God, the everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace (Isaiah 9:6), and he is the Almighty (Rev 1:8). The Lord must take office of the name of Jesus (the Son) until all things are in subjection under his feet (Hebrews 1:8) meaning when prophecy comes to past in the book of Revelation regarding the enemy being defeated forever. (1) There is only one God. One of the best books I have ever read on this subject is "The Doctrine of the Trinity, Christianity's Self-inflicted Wound" by Anthony F. Buzzard. The doctrine of the Holy Trinity states there is one true God who is made up of three separate but equal persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Most people's problem, he says, centres ultimately on the three-in-one issue, "but that's not the big question about God". It tells us that we are called to submission, humility, and the honoring of others within community. For the person of the Father is a distinct person, the person of the Son is another, and that of the Holy Spirit, still another. your wrong its very important. 9/12/2012, The revelation of the Trinity is … www.christianmonotheism.comthe challenge-----Will you ask these five questions of your pastor or trusted Christian expert? Not separate "persons" or beings. Jesus said he was correct. C: If Allah asks somebody for help, surely he can’t be God. This office of Jesus Christ must reign until the enemy is defeated, while the devil is already a defeated foe, but until everything has been made under subjection, Jesus Christ (his authority) must reign. The doctrine of the Trinity, as summarized in the seven statements earlier, is not a philosophical concoction by some over-zealous and over-intelligent early theologians, but one of the central planks of orthodoxy which can shown, explicitly or implicitly, from a multitude of biblical texts. I 100% agree with the above statement. it's easier if we all say inches or we all say meters,hence the need/call for the council of nicea. This mystery of the faith cannot be fully understood by the human mind but is a key doctrine of Christianity.While the word Trinity does not appear in the Bible, several episodes include the simultaneous appearance of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, such as the baptism of Jesus by John the Baptist. The belief in the trinity is showed by nearly all history books to of been put in place after the early apostles and therefore is admitted to not of been what the early Christians believed. not to mention the above verses I quoted about Jesus making the statements of if you seen Him, you have seen the Father and how and His Father are one. So again, Jesus is not the second person of a trinity, but according to flesh he is the Son of man, the Son of God, the high priest, chief cornerstone, the last Adam made a quickening spirit. 11/14/2011, 7/24/2013, Don't have an account? 44:6; 1 Tim. Keep in mind when studying this subject that the word “Trinity” is not found in Scripture. Would Jesus be the Father? Water, snow, ice. But God is not an equation to be figured out, but rather our Lord to be loved, enjoyed, and obeyed. The word person in the greek is "hypostasis". Very good question, a question I never thought of before. There is an interrelationship that takes place within the one God. If anything could underline the necessity of Trinitarianism for practical Christianity, that must surely be it!”. Why The Trinity Matters (Practically Speaking) 5 min read Reading Time: 4 minutes A.W. Three persons. It sounds like a really hard math problem. Holy Ghost is not. The Gospel Coalition supports the church by providing resources that are trusted and timely, winsome and wise, and centered on the gospel of Jesus Christ. The church teaches Jesus was 100% man and 100% God. 5:11 PM. First, what does the doctrine mean? The doctrine of the Trinity is not mainly for apologetics or for opposing heretics (although that’s been an important element of the doctrine); it’s mainly for the purpose of teaching Christians what they believe about God on the basis of being saved by that God. Why do you think it’s important that works of theology still maintain a doxological approach? 8:18 AM, 3/14/2018, Arguing about doctrine does not accomplish anything. In another essay (Jehovah’s Witnesses: Witnessing to the Witnesses) I discussed effective evangelistic strategies when sharing the faith with Jehovah’s Witnesses. 3:53 PM. It is basically saying that there are three separate Gods because they are distinct one from another (derived from tritheism). That is why … God is love. Secondly, who impreginated Mary? What to pray: ask God to help you rely on His wisdom rather than your own as you study His Word. I believe the father, Son, and Holy Spirit are 3 seperate beings, but there is only one God, the Father and Jesus and the Holy Spirit serve under Him. Even the proteins in your cells are complex. Very comprehensive details regarding Godhead explained in an amazing way with Biblical evidence in, 12/29/2012, (6) The Son is the not the Holy Spirit. 10:31 PM. He is not merely the Son of God but also God the Son. So again, Jesus is not the second person of a trinity, but according to flesh he is the Son of man, the Son of God, the high priest, chief cornerstone, the last Adam made a quickening spirit. 7/20/2013, Especially man made doctrine. Islam emphasizes unity—unity of language, culture, and expression—without allowing much variance for diversity. All other times when you read of an audible voice from God, it is coming from the Word who became Jesus Christ in the flesh.Those that believe the trinity can never clearly understand what is stated above because they confuse God the Father with Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit etc etc. Instead, the Word and the Spirit were like his own two hands (to use Irenaeus’ famous phrase) in fashioning the cosmos. This is clearly described in scripture.Jesus Christ(the Word) was actually the Person of the Godhead(which currently consists of 2 Beings)that was the God that interfaced with Israel in the Old Testament.It was His voice(hence He is called the Word)that gave the 10 commandments at Sinai and spoke to Moses. Why The Trinity Matters (Practically Speaking) 5 min read January 24, 2017 4 min read. At the end of the day, doxology is the only appropriate response to the reality of God. 6:19; Acts 5:3-4) without a second thought. Can God die? 10:30 AM, 4/15/2019, I would love to discuss this principle further with anyone who would like to at james.jensen.light@gmail.com, 7/24/2011, Each sachet contains 7 different fruit flavors like mango, orange, strawberry, vanilla, and banana. It is really hard to talk about it without unintentionally speaking heresy, so in this article we will present the basic doctrine and then explain why it make philosophical and logical sense to be that way. In a historical book called “The Doctrine of the trinity” by a Mr. P.E.White (who is a Catholic) we read this: Augustine once commented about the Trinity that “in no other subject is error more dangerous, or inquiry more laborious, or the discovery of truth more profitable.” More recently, Sinclair Ferguson has reflected on “the rather obvious thought that when his disciples were about to have the world collapse in on them, our Lord spent so much time in the Upper Room speaking to them about the mystery of the Trinity. Creation, like regeneration, is a Trinitarian act, with God working by the agency of the Word spoken and the mysterious movement of the Holy Spirit. 5:07 AM. Describing the God we worship as best we can is important to any religion. All users have acknowledged and agreed that the submission of their content is in compliance with our Terms of Use. 3:58 PM, 6/30/2014, Why does the Trinity matter? Yet, when it comes to the doctrine of the Trinity, most Christians are poor in their understanding, poorer in their articulation, and poorest of all in seeing any way in which the doctrine matters in real life. Thank you for expounding on the trinity doctrine. The bible says Jesus is God, and that the "Lord is one." The belief is because of the sacred Scriptures God has given to us, beginning in 1400 B.C. Because they 1) Limit what God can do and 2) deny the Bible. The one God exists in a social Trinity. Application. We have already agreed that God is the Almighty. Many believe that God is three distinct persons or individuals. author: Ben Giselbach. The Trinity Accounts for the Derivation of Love God is love (I John 4:8) and He has been love from all eternity. Let me draw one important inference. I do agree, the Spirit of God cannot die, and indeed the flesh of Jesus died on the cross. Who knows, this might grow into a series, but for the moment, you can read one good explanation as to why a Christian belief in the Trinity is important here. The scriptures are very clear on this. “I believe in an Almighty God,” said President Bush in an interview with Al Arabiya, “and I believe that all the world, whether they be Muslim, Christian, or any other religion, prays to the same God. Trinity is not important because it is nothing. For removal of copyrighted material, please contact us HERE. Second, where is the doctrine of the Trinity found in the Bible? When the ancient creeds employ extra-biblical terminology and demand careful theological nuance they do so not to clear up what the Bible leaves cloudy, but to defend, define, and delimit essential biblical propositions. The bible answers this question for us which shows that at Niceae they did not use the bible to answer their question at all. Hi, it's Heffalump again, I just want to mention some typing errors that I found after submitting the above contribution. Third, why does any of this matter? The doctrine of the Trinity can be summarized in seven statements. When we bind ourselves to the Trinity we affirm two things about God. Jehovah is God Almighty and Jesus is God's Son. 6:10 PM. The Expression of the Trinity in Scripture . And the Trinity is probably the most confusing doctrine as well. That’s why we get the tricky (but learnable) language of essence and persons. The reason why I ask this is because the bible says that all things wee created by Him (Jesus.) The Trinity isn’t for anything beyond itself, because the Trinity is God. I understand why people see trinity, but it's against the basic law of Judaism. My faith incidently is over 13 million strong and growing by and average of 250,000 people a year. (3) The Son is God. All through the Bible, God is presented as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. God is one, and God is three. Orthodox Trinitarianism rejects Arianism which denies the full deity of Christ. Although the term "Trinity" is not found in the Bible, most Bible scholars agree that its meaning is clearly expressed. Jesus asked the Apostles who do you say I am? (obs) 4:6; 1 Cor.12:4-6; 1 Peter 1:1-2; 2 Cor. For instance, every one of the trillions of cells in your body is incredibly complex. (7) The Holy Spirit is not the Father. I pray you all get the chance to experience it. He is not three gods, but three persons in … 2/20/2013, (2) The Father is God. Islam is shirk: In Islam Mohamed is a messenger from God; the final prophet - but more, he is sinless & the perfect model for mankind. I am a terrible proof reader even after checking more than 10 times! But with a biblical understanding of the Trinity we can say that God did not create in order to be loved, but rather, created out of the overflow of the perfect love that had always existed among Father, Son, and Holy Spirit who ever live in perfect and mutual relationship and delight. Tozer said, “What you think of God is the most important thing about you. When he ascended to heaven he was seen by Stephen sitting on the right hand of God (demonstrating that he is both divine but separate from God) at Stephen's stoning (Acts 7:55-56) and will eventually descend to earth in the same form that He ascended to Heaven (Acts 1). All of the creedal formulations and theological jargon and philosophical apologetics have to do with safeguarding each one of these statements and doing so without denying any of the other six. (Pgs 47-48) Trinity and Creation: The “Relevance” of the Doctrine (Thomas McCall) It sounds like a really hard math problem. We must be doing something right. Remember God is a Spirit, not a person, we cannot see Him, he does not have any shape or form, except through Jesus. Whether your church has ten pews or a thousand seats, a praise band or a pipe organ, one-room-Sunday school or a network of small groups, a huge staff or just you. that particular council may have not seen the spirit manifest,but the ecclesias and denominations begotten by the holy catholic church(subsequently holy roman)each have their confirmation via works of the spirit that the creed(in its versions)holds truth. At Niceae the question was about Jesus being begotten and being the first creation which God is not a creation as he was and always will be forever. The triune God is not only the supreme being: the sovereign source and end of all creatures (Rom. Why do Christians believe in the Trinity? But God is not an equation to be figured out, but rather our Lord to be loved, enjoyed, and obeyed. I believe Father, Spirit, and Son are roles of Almighty God. The Athanasian Creed puts it this way: “Now this is the catholic faith: That we worship one God in trinity and the trinity in unity, neither blending their persons, nor dividing their essence. God is one in essence, three in Person. I recently got into a debate over this very subject on line a couple of days ago. It doesn’t tell us they are three entities, or persons. So in a few hundred words let me try to explain what the doctrine of the Trinity means, where it is found in the Bible, and why it matters. GREAT book!!! To understand more fully what God is like is a way of honoring God. In our church sometimes the concept of the Godhead is linked with the atonement. The Trinity is one God existing in three Persons. 3:09 PM, 11/19/2014, For me, the trinity is perhaps the single most important doctrine for Christians to understand. There are many churches out here that do not realize, or some may even do this intentionally where there Christian faith is derived from catholicism (which is mentioned in this article from the early Roman Catholic church from Constantine I, the Council of Nicaea). I'm not that interested why it is important, but put that too if you want. The Bible forces us into the doctrine of the Trinity because the text speaks clearly on the concepts and understandings of God’s triune nature as preserved by scholars within Christendom for thousands of years. I’ve heard it said that the two main rivals to a Christian worldview at present are Islam and Postmodernism. My advice for anyone looking to argue about this matter: make sure that your beliefs are in line with the Bible. Instead, it is, simply and bluntly, what we were made for. The essence of that self-giving interrelationship is love. And the Trinity is probably the most confusing doctrine as well. Speaking to the scripture where Jesus Christ said that He and the Father were one, Jesus was stating that He and the Father were of one accord,one mind in purpose,and in agreement. It is certainly not. It is pagan in origin. And please, read this carefully, and take it holistically, as a whole. in Matthews, North Carolina, board chairman of The Gospel Coalition, and assistant professor of systematic theology at, (Charlotte). 3. 9:55 AM, 10/11/2017, We worship a God who is in constant and eternal relationship with himself as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. One, the Trinity matters for creation. 9:47 AM. The love of God is infinite and eternal because each member of the Trinity is infinite and eternal. He also said if you seen Him, you have seen the Father. Its tenants tell us who God is, but it also tells us how we should treat one another in the body of Christ. But, if you think about it, most of reality isn’t simple. The Biblical evidence requires us to seek a solution that acknowledges the singularity of God while respecting the Deity of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. It's available at Amazon. 10:33 PM. Any definition of Islam that excludes Mohamed is a false definition. I hope this helps explain why Christians believe in the Trinity. I personally believe that there is only One. One theologian said, tongue in cheek, “The trinity is a matter of five notions or properties, four relations, three persons, two processions, one substance or nature, and no understanding.” All the talk of essence and persons and co-this and co-that seem like theological gobbledy-gook reserved for philosophers and scholars-maybe for thinky bookish types, but certainly not for moms and mechanics and middle-class college students. otherwise they would be lacking the 7 earmarks of the body of christ. For starters there are verses that speak of God’s oneness (Deut. Who knows, this might grow into a series, but for the moment, you can read one good explanation as to why a Christian belief in the Trinity is important here. The trinity stems from paganism. Here is a short, straightforward argument that exposes the doctrine of the Trinity as a man-made apostasy. Why was it so important for Patrick to bind to himself the Trinity? I would like to challenge everyone to google a man named William Branham. 8:50 AM, 9/12/2012, violate the law of noncontradiction. There is only one God who is three persons. We are accustomed to thinking in terms of “One person equals one essence.” This equation may be a convenient one, but it’s not a rationally necessary one. Next, we have the scores of texts which prove the deity of Jesus Christ, the Son—passages like John 1 (“the word was God”), John 8:58 (“before Abraham was born, I am”), Col. 2:9 (“in Christ all the fullness of Deity lives in bodily form”), Heb. The Trinity is first of all important because God is important. Tozer said, “What you think of God is the most important thing about you.” 3/17/2010, 6/16/2010, 12:11 AM, 3/9/2010, Three, the Trinity matters for relationships. Unlike Swinburne, he does not seem to think that this argument is important to reasonable belief in the Trinity (Craig believes the Trinity can somehow be derived from the Bible–on which see section 5.4), nor does Craig mount a philosophical argument for why … Name, but a title. It makes no sense to ask what the point of the Trinity is or what purpose the Trinity serves. 8:53 AM. Let me give you some examples. since god will tolerate no other gods,the son and holy spirit must be consubstantially existent with him. If any doctrine makes Christianity Christian, then surely it is the doctrine of the Trinity. Yeah, I get why the Trinity is an important doctrine, and the "correct idea of his character" bit was actually something I thought of also! Family relationships are complicated. not God. The answer of course is yes. In order for something to be contradictory, it must . Then we have similar texts which assume the deity of the Holy Spirit, calling Him an “eternal Spirit” (Heb. The Holy Trinity.The orthodox paradox of this Christian confession confounds many, due to its apparent contradictions, abstractions, and absence from Scripture. Peter said you are the Son of God. These are all conventional notions of man, and the fallacious beliefs of man. If you thoughtfully read through the gospel of John, you can’t help but be impressed with the profound words of Jesus concerning His mysterious relationship with the Father and the Holy Spirit.. The Trinity is not a contradiction because God is not three in the same way that He is one. This "doctrine" is TOTAL confusion! Understand that this is not in any way suggesting three Gods. 10:12 AM. dkullflyre - Your comment makes my point for me. Scholars have determined that the 2 primary scriptures used to prove the trinity were not in the original manuscripts as they appear in todays King James bible.Those verses that were altered/added to,are Matthew 28:19 and 1John 5:7.I won't cite all my research but what I have said is true and can be verified by those interested in researching the truth about the trinity and its origin.The information is readily available and is known to be true even by trinitarian believing scholars.Problem is that coming clean on this false belief about God the Father and Jesus Christ(who are of the Godhead)would ruin their careers.Hope this helps.Best regards. It’s important to note what a verse says, and in this case more important to note what the verse does not say; for example. The three great ecumenical creeds—the Apostles’ Creed, the Nicene Creed, and the Athanasian Creed—are all structured around our three in one God, underlying the essential importance of Trinitarian theology. 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